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katyrow

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Gorgeous creature !! I hope it sounds at least HALF as good as it looks !!?!?!?!

I have quite a few I consider 'genuine' Kanailal sitar, either as & Bros or as BROTHER.
Please check them out on my facebook pics & albums folders.

May we ask what you paid for it & where was it from? 8)

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It is just my opinion, but I don't think it is authentic KL&Bros.
The Kanai Lal shop had a very unique style, I don't see it represented here.
It is just not very "Kanai Lal", especially in the headstock decoration, and the tabli carving.
Their carving was very unique and specific to them.
Their carving was very deep and had a certain crisp boldness to it.

I could be wrong, but there you go.
This doesn't mean that it can't be a cool sitar, regardless of badge.
The tabli looks quite nice, and I like the carving.
I have been surprised by sitars of all kinds.
Sometimes a sitar from any random maker turns out to have a sweet tone, or is just fun to play.
I hope it sounds great and plays great because that is all that really matters with a sitar.
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Here are some examples of Kanai Lal sitars and surbahars for reference.
You can see a common style in all these instruments in terms of carving, decoration, etc.

http://www.karaseksound.com/ShowDetails.php?ID=IMG0197

http://www.karaseksound.com/ShowDetails.php?ID=IMG0211

http://www.karaseksound.com/ShowDetails.php?ID=IMG0066

Beautiful Surbahar
http://www.karaseksound.com/ShowDetails.php?ID=IMG0202

Another beautiful Surbahar showing the depth and unique style of carving.
http://www.karaseksound.com/ShowDetails.php?ID=IMG0161
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It is just my opinion, but I don't think it is authentic KL&Bros.
That was my view as well, which is why I haven't bought it (at least not yet). Other than the badge, it has none of the hallmarks of a vintage KL&B. Beautiful sitar, though.
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Yeah, a badge is no sure sign of authenticity.
There are a ton of sitars out there with fake badges on them, claiming to be KL or Hiren Roy.
Most are easy to identify as being incorrectly badged.

BUT if it is not expensive, it still might the a nice playable sitar.
Just don't pay Kanai Lal prices for it.

I have looked at a LOT of Kanai Lal sitars for design reference etc., and the real ones are pretty easy to peg as real.
I was doing research to figure out the authenticity of my own sitar that was attributed to KL & Bros by experts.
Mine had no badge as it had fallen off some time in the past.
With my research and a hands on appraisal from Tony K recently, we have concluded that mine is NOT actually KL.
Mine is actually a very fine Naskar.
It is an amazingly beautiful Naskar, and as I didn't pay Kanai Lal prices for it to begin with I am not bothered it not being KL.
Certainly beautiful enough to make several experts believe it is Kanai Lal.
The only problem is that now I have to go back on the hunt for an authentic Kanai Lal.
I thought my collecting days were over, but not so…

This is my Naskar.
You can see from the carving on the ghullu why it might be attributed to KL.
Very few sitar makers carved to that level of excellence.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/carletonroyds/albums/72157618712400653
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This is my Naskar.
Spectacular.
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rex@sitar.co.za

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I'm not sure - my first teacher had a Kanai Lal & Brother that looked very much like this one.
Can anyone else out there offer their experienced opinion?
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my first teacher had a Kanai Lal & Brother that looked very much like this one
What did you think of your teacher's?
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Here's an article written - hard to believe it's been 15 years now - back in 2000 by Steve Landsberg on the history of Kanailal and brothers.
http://www.asianart.com/articles/landsberg/
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What did you think of your teacher's?
It's to this day still the best sounding sitar I've ever heard.
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I'm not sure - my first teacher had a Kanai Lal & Brother that looked very much like this one.
Can anyone else out there offer their experienced opinion?
It doesn't look like any of their work. But you never know, maybe they did a few cheaper ready made instruments from the body farms in harder times? It's definitely old but I've never seen that label before so this could be possible. I'm told there's a cottage industry in W. Bengal making new 'old' instruments with fake labels as we see showing up everywhere but I don't have any solid facts on who it is. This one looks older naturally but the penwork seems post 70's as it's not so tight and have seen this exact pattern on new sitars.

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katyrow

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It doesn't look like any of their work.
Yep, I'm afraid that's right. My initial guess was that it is a late 60s or early 70s RKS or equivalent, based in part on the head stock pen work.
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Nice detective work!
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