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pbercker

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Originally Posted by "mangataot"
Actually, you know what...
Tablalab Riyaz - simple theka section - page 5

demonstrates this issue rather well - it is in fact ektal inside teental

go to tablalab.com
click Try Riyaz and run the Flash demo,
open the browser (cog icon, top right),
open the 'simple thekas' section, skip to page 5 with blue right arrow icon.

Marc
You're quite right ... this is the first part - speak ektal, clap tintal, the guest's challenge to Shambhuji. Technically it might be called ektal over keherwa since you explictly show 8 beats rather than 16. It winds up being basically the same thing, especially if we think of the other 8 beats as being silently between the 8 explicit ones! Had you intended to do that ... the 12 beat cycle over the 8 beat below it? In any case it's quite a useful exercise really. It's the reverse, Shambhuji's challenge to the guest, that I find a bit more challenging. Were you intending to maybe include that one as well in your app?

I'm looking a bit more closely now, and I see that you've also got a 10 beat excercise (a jhaptal theka) but an 8 beat cycle underneath! The Mangataot challenge!

I can't help but think that serendipity is at work here! The 8 beat cycle (really an implied 16 beat cycle) for the first 3 teental exercise makes sense ... but you then added ektal exercise and a jhaptal exercise, but accidentally kept the 8 beat cycle? Such is the creative process! (I'm speculating of course ... maybe it's entirely by design for all I know!)


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Well it was kind of half intentional.

We know that counting any taal over 8 or 16 beats is a useful exercise as it means that you can switch to and from teental keeping the cycle length the same.. it is good brain fodder too.

I had kept the framework as 16 beats for all the pages until I got to the thekas section.
When I came to do those I thought it would be the most consistent option to keep the metronome counting 16 behind whatever theka is superimposed.
You can always turn the volume right down on the metronome if it not useful..
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Hi all,

I just added Shambhuji's challenge - speak tintal, clap ektal and reverse as demonstrations to the TalaClass app.
see it here http://www.tinyurl.com/talaclass
Just realised I spelt his name wrong - will edit.
Graphics are a bit small on this one... hmmmm.. what to do!?

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Hi all,

I just added Shambhuji's challenge - speak tintal, clap ektal and reverse as demonstrations to the TalaClass app.
see it here http://www.tinyurl.com/talaclass
Just realised I spelt his name wrong - will edit.
Graphics are a bit small on this one... hmmmm.. what to do!?

Marc
Nicely done .... but your app said for me to "SHAKE" the page to get more interesting patterns ... so I shook my monitor ... nothing happened ... I'll try shaking my computer next and report back what happens .....



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:!: :!:

(yeah - or press the SHAKE button!)

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(mangataot - this rhythmic exercise might be relevant in regards to your app).

This is another interesting page from Homnathji's tabla book (From Kashi To Kantipur: Learning Tabla, due out next year) that presents an interesting rhythmic challenge.

Homnathi relates the following story: back in the 60's when Ravi Shankar was touring with a tabla player in Nepal. While Ravi Shankar was meeting with the king of Nepal, there was a gathering of Nepali musicians along with the Indian guest tabla player due to accompany Ravi Shankar. He was introduced to the foremost Nepali tabla player at time, Shree Shambhu Prasad Mishra, son of Pandit Nanak Prasad Mishra (Baldev Sahaya (=Baldeo Sahai) of the Benares gharana, moved to Nepal to study with him. Pandit Kanthe Maharaj (uncle to Pandit Kishan Maharaj) later moved to Nepal as well and stayed there 4 years).

Upon learning that Shree Shambhu Prasad Mishra was also a tabla player, the guest tabla player said "Oh, you play tabla? Can you speak ektal in tintal?" Pandit Shambhu Prasad Mishra was apparently insulted by this simple request, but proceeded to demonstrate how this was done, and then requested the guest tabla player to do just the opposite, i.e. Speak tintal in ektal.
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the guest tried very hard for nearly ten minutes to meet the request. After much sweating and effort, the guest musician was able to accomplish the solution (From Kashi to Kantipur, page 6).
This is page 7, showing graphically what the rhythmic challenge is:


http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5424/schallenge.jpg

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Is anyone up to the challenge? It's a bit harder than you might think!


Pascal
Very interesting. Good exercises for rhythmic training and solidity in taal.

I'm actually curious about this book and its contents, especially as it contains stories relating to the Benares gharana. Can you tell me more about when it will be coming out, and where it can be purchased from? And how did you manage to get an advanced copy?

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Very interesting. Good exercises for rhythmic training and solidity in taal.

I'm actually curious about this book and its contents, especially as it contains stories relating to the Benares gharana. Can you tell me more about when it will be coming out, and where it can be purchased from? And how did you manage to get an advanced copy?

Regards,
Shawn
There's actually only a very small bit of historical information on the Benares Gharana (about 3 pages or so, which I could easily photocopy and send to you if you like). Homnathji doesn't think it will come out officially before next year, but this is uncertain. I suspect that he has much more historical material but it's just not included in this instruction book. He's doing research about a Nepali tabla gharana that's related to the Benares gharana. He's currently visiting professor of tabla at the Univ. of California, Santa Barbara, and I believe he's currently using photocopies of his book as the class textbook. I suspect that he would be happy to send you a copy for what he currently charges his students, which is $30 I believe.

(I met him many years ago and have been in contact sporadically over these many years.)

His website along with his email address is here:

http://homnathtabla.com/contact-and-links.html



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Thanks for this, I will contact him right away! There has been a Benares-Nepal tabla connection for a long time, since the time of Pt. Bhairov Sahai-ji, I believe. WIll be interesting to read more on the subject. Actually, when I was in Benares in 2009, three students of my guru-bhai Pt. Shyam Kumar Mishra came to Benares to study with Guruji. We had a lot of fun practicing together!
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I sent a message via his website, and no answer ..
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I sent a message via his website, and no answer ..
Regretably Homnathji can sometimes be very slow in answering his email. He is teaching at the Univ. of Calif. at Santa Barbara, but the semester may be coming to a close now, or may be over and done with, I'm not sure. He may also be touring.


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