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coughcapkittykat

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I've been completely enchanted by this video for ages (it was uploaded before the apparent upload date) but I watched it again last night and I am a bit confused about it.

It seems that this is normal Yaman, no? Unless I'm mistaken, he doesn't use komal Re and seems to be playing in accordance to regular yaman rules/standards.

It certainly doesn't sound like any yaman I've ever heard but I can't see why.
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I watched, or rather listened to it, while cooking dinner tonight. If you had labelled it "Yaman" I would have been fooled, not that that takes much. I kept listening for wanton abandonments of the Yaman aroha "rules" and they may have occurred, but given my casual listening, I didn't note any I would swear to.

I have heard Puriya Kalyan live, rendered by Pt. Nayan Ghosh, and it was certainly unmistakeable in its komal rishabh. Although they do call it a very "rare" version of Puriya Kalyan, so maybe there's more here than meets the eye.
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About the raga

Raga PuriyaKalyan is a very popular name of raga. But, the type of
PuriyaKalyan that Pt. Sanjoy Bandopadhyay chose to play in this piece is
extremely rare. This raga takes shudh-Re, Tivra-Ma and omits P as
opposed to the popular PuriyaKalyan that takes komal-re [and Tivra-Ma]
and does not omit any note. But it is interesting to note that both the
popular and rare PuriyaKalyan ragas are mix of Puriya and Yaman
[Kalyan].

The ascending and descending of this rare type of PuriyaKalyan are:

N1 R G M D N S' S' N D M G R S

You can enjoy the excellent blend of Puriya and Yaman [Kalyan] in this
rendering. The sam at mandra madhyama is also gives and exquisite
effect.
Happy listening!

Rrik 10 November 2006

note:
Rrik is Prof Bandopadhyay's son.
I didn't check closely, but I think the video is as described above.
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It's an interesting piece, a Kalyan thaat Puriya-Kalyan, as opposed to the more usual Marwa thaat one. Nice blending of the challan of the two component ragas, e.g.

M D N M D G M G (Puriya) R G R N D N R G R S (Yaman)

or

'N R G R (Yam) 'N 'D 'N-'M (Pu) 'N R G R S (Yam)

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If there are just ''six tones'' in an octave [sic] then why have frets for tones that don't exist?
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Wonderful, thanks for the replies and information, makes it much easier to grasp now. I didn't notice the lack of Pa.

It's such a beautiful piece. It always fascinated me, both sitar and tabla, excellent players. I was going to have a go at learning this but it sounds a little bit complicated for my level.
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Yeah I even don't hear any Pa in his chikaris. Sounds like a Ni and Ga in those.
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Originally Posted by "coughcapkittykat"
I was going to have a go at learning this but it sounds a little bit complicated for my level.
Why not go right to the source, and learn it?
http://www.indianmusiclessons.com/
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Simply beautiful! Does anyone have a link to which this can be downloaded from?
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Simply beautiful! Does anyone have a link to which this can be downloaded from?
http://www.mediafire.com/?xpoknst6rkcts3d
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Thank you sir!
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For future reference, you can always get youtube quality Mp3s for a youtube video from any number of online youtube-to-mp3 converter sites...you enter in the youtube address and it'll spit out a downloadable MP3 for you. However....its obviously at the youtube audio quality level, and also, a big caveat emptor on the websites, as most of them are riddled with ads and not a few of them are riddled with malware. DVDVideoSoft has a nice downloadable tool that does this that I've used before. Just be careful and don't click through things without reading them...sometimes you have to uncheck stuff to avoid switching your homepage, etc., all that usual shareware stuff.
http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/products/dvd/Free-YouTube-to-MP3-Converter.htm
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