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trippy monkey

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OH Fantastic! THIS is what I need.
Great to see something positive come out of this.

Whatever else I do re names, at least I'm helping 'rescue' so many treasures. You've seen pics of the sitars as they arrive at my friend's shop & after when they've 'recovered' & are singing again!! Any of these is a victory in MY eyes whatever the name? No??? 8)

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Absolutely Trippy.
If just one old sitar with potential is resuscitated back to life, it is a WIN.
It is a worthy ambition to rescue worthy beasts.
Regardless of maker, an sweet old sitar for a reasonable price is a good thing.
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I WILL tell you all something. Trying to find that great book is a nightmare. It has a German printing but I don't like giving out my bank details on the net like that so.. :?

I couldn't find one when I was in India as this book has been mentioned before. As has that Rudra Veena book too.

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You are in luck.
Lars has it in stock.
I am sure you trust him with your information.
http://www.sitar-tabla.com/sitar-tabla-books.htm
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Trust Lars?!?!?!
I met him in Varanasi, a very dodgy character indeed!! LOL
Many thanks for the info.
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wow, reams of animated discussion....



We have to hand it to our Prof. Nick, his enthusiasm deserves respect.

Nick Bhai, just send me decent pictures of selected candidates, you have my email.

Now that 'KL' surbahar is definitely not the real thing. Anyone who has ever seen a real one from half a mile away can tell. The penwork looks like it was done by a 5 year old. Apart from all the other red flags. Like round frets, carving style , general appearance, tun wood, etc.
Could be an interesting project , rip away that awful penwork, replace with simple wooden inlays or get new penwork done. The body itself and the tabli look quite promising.

Again, it is impossible to fake any KL instrument. It simply cant be done. the combination of of workmanship, style, carving , wood and overall expertise was unique to KL.

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Well ironically I WAS going to get that baby work removed & have a nice matching Mother-Of-Pearl inlay on instead. 8)
It could STILL be a lovely surbahar regardless. Not only the BIG names made great stuff & not always was their stuff great eh??

Shall send you my pics too.
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Hey Nick..

Definitly not a KL.. I've owned 3 real (Murari-made) KL-surbahars: one a total stunner, sound/playing/builtwise; it's in the museum-section of Tony K's site. My second one was an old one that had been played a lot.. same qualities as No1, but it just had a lot of miles on the tyres .... My third one was a clunker..one of the last ones Murari built...firewood; unplayable, flimsy frets, heavy as sin and unbalanced..but: the carving was still stunning hahahaha... All KL-surbs I've seen ooze this quality that's undefinable but when you see it: you know it's the real deal...

Other ones I've played over the years: Pt Chandrashekar's old KL-surb: square neck, tarabs removed..sounded amazing!
I played a REAL KL (about 90 years old) made by KL, not Murari (who was KLs' nephew I think) that blew my mind; sounded like a traditional veena.. best sounding surb I've ever touched: only problem: it had a weird rail-system to fix the frets: so you had no fretwires that had tied the frets: so no visual reference AT ALL where you were on the neck and at what pitch you were...

Again: all instruments had this amazing quality of craftmanship...
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I feel that it is extremely unlikely that this Surbahar is a Kanai Lal.
Does that imply that someone has marked it as KL knowing that it isn't.... :? Is that the instrument you are talking about?

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If it's the surbahar, Greg, it's the one I showed later on than the OP one.

BTW I'll be in London for a few hours on tuesday the 24th next week. Anything you need that I can bring & you can collect?

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Thanks...I'll have a think...
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