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pbercker

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This lucknow rela has been puzzling me for a bit but I think I may have figured it out. Here are two versions that are almost identical, except for a slight difference: Here is Swapan Chaudhuri's version ...



and Samar Saha's version ...




The basic theme of the rela they are playing is essentially this (but do check and verify in case I'm incorrect).

http://imageshack.us/a/img593/3347/takdhenetake.jpg

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The theme in red is identical to the theme repeated in blue. However there is an interesting difference in how it's played that I think corresponds to the difference between Swapan Chaudhuri's version and Samar Saha's version. Here it is on my trusty swarshala 2.0 that somewhat exagerates the difference:



Can you spot the difference?

Am I correct that Swapan Chaudhuri plays "ta" on the sur, while Samar Saha plays "ta" on the kinar?

Which version do you prefer?

Personally I like both versions, but Swapanda's version (and red version) seems "warmer" to me, while Samarda's version (and the blue version) seems "sharper" (and more "aggressive" somehow)


Pascal

post script: After posting this, I discovered the following tidbit from Robert Gottlieb's tabla book on the difference between the "sur style" and the "kinar style".

http://imageshack.us/a/img594/7767/tasurkinar.jpg

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Pascal - took me a fair while to understand what you were saying and what is going on here -
but I think I finally got what you meant after seeing one of your famous swarshala clips.

I think what you are saying is Swapan Chaudhuri plays that sweet "tin" sound and Samar Saha is playing traditional "na" or "ta" stroke.

They both are playing so fast - and video quality at times leaves a bit to be desired - but then I finally got it -

and YES - Swapanda's version sounds nicer -

Your bols look correct - except I think they are both playing "tete" instead of the sometimes known as 2 finger "tite"

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pbercker

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Originally Posted by "TablaBeatz"
Pascal - took me a fair while to understand what you were saying and what is going on here -
but I think I finally got what you meant after seeing one of your famous swarshala clips.

I think what you are saying is Swapan Chaudhuri plays that sweet "tin" sound and Samar Saha is playing traditional "na" or "ta" stroke.

They both are playing so fast - and video quality at times leaves a bit to be desired - but then I finally got it -

and YES - Swapanda's version sounds nicer -

Your bols look correct - except I think they are both playing "tete" instead of the sometimes known as 2 finger "tite"
exactly .... the "sur" sound is indeed a bit sweeter.

btw, I used "tite" only to get the sound right out of swarshala, but otherwise it is just "tete".

Pascal

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