jaan e kharabat
I couldn't agree more. To my mind, Sarangi players were some of the most learned and skilled musicians of all since they were expected to be adept at accompanying singers of all styles and thus would require and acquire a huge repertoire of compositions and wide breadth of stylistic perspective.

Many great singers and gharana founders were sarangi players at one stage, e.g. Abdul-Karim Khan, Bade Ghulam Ali Khan and Amir Khan, even.
If there are just ''six tones'' in an octave [sic] then why have frets for tones that don't exist?
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nicneufeld
That is awesome. Ironic though because usually the aim is to make an instrument sound more like the human voice. The kazoo basically makes a human voice sound more like an instrument.
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David Russell Watson
Manohar Barve in rag Darbari on kazoo.

http://moutal.eu/audio-archives/instrumental/kazoo/202-manohar-barve.html

David
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Sitarfixer
" Well now if dat doan jez #### the dog " ! ! !
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povster
Sitarfixer wrote:
" Well now if dat doan jez #### the dog " ! ! !
You stop poundin' on dat dawg now.
...Michael
Dasani - the official bottled water of ICM
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povster
David wrote:
Manohar Barve in rag Darbari on kazoo.

http://moutal.eu/audio-archives/instrumental/kazoo/202-manohar-barve.html

David
That's very cool. Makes sense consdering the vocal aspect of the kazoo.

I am trying to remember what the South Indian kazoo is called.
...Michael
Dasani - the official bottled water of ICM
Panini - the official sandwich of ICM
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Sitarfixer
The "Southie" instrument I think you're recalling is a "Moorsing". That is more along the lines of a "Jaw Harp" or "Jews Harp". Anyone with better info ? ? ?
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povster
Sitarfixer wrote:
The "Southie" instrument I think you're recalling is a "Moorsing". That is more along the lines of a "Jaw Harp" or "Jews Harp". Anyone with better info ? ? ?
That's it! And yes, it WAS a form of jaw harp.
...Michael
Dasani - the official bottled water of ICM
Panini - the official sandwich of ICM
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nicneufeld
I remember hearing a nice recording using the morsing in parallel with the mridangam, as a percussion instrument. It really heightened the tonal attributes of the drums.

Maybe it was this one? Bhairavi by Hindugrass (check under audio samples):
http://www.hindugrass.net/

That may have been a tabla actually, but the morsing with it makes it sound almost like a mridangam.
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theprosperone
I saw someone play one of those at the rhythms of rhajastan concert and it was great! It was like a nice morphing rhythmic drone. There is a dude out there that plays a jews harp through delay, overdrive and so on as his main instrument in a psychedelic project, was interesting...
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Raga_Mala
For a really cool rundown on the whole gamut of Carnatic Percussion, see if you can find "River Yamuna" by the Karnataka College of Percussion. Mridangam, ghatam quartet, kanjira trio, morsing trio, konnakkol ensemble: all are represented on that album, as well as some ensemble kirtans w/ veena and singer etc.
"Not all is good that bears an ancient name,
Nor need we every modern poem blame;
Wise men approve the good, or new, or old;
The foolish critic follows where he's told."
-Kalidas, Malavikagnimitra I.i.2
Trans. Arthur Ryder
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panchamkauns
I have one simple question, and I seek a coherent answer, as I have heard this double standard applied by many Indian music "fanatics]Who are all these santoor listeners?!
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Raga_Mala
panchamkauns wrote:
Who are all these santoor listeners?!
Just a few examples to respond to the folks who have argued that there isn't really an acceptance of santoor in ICM. Not an exhaustive list, but it does shed some light I think.

I have heard Zakir Hussain say in interviews that santoor, as pioneered by Shivkumar-ji, is a legitimate instrument.

Hariprasad Chaurasia also seems to think so, as evidenced by his long career of collaboration with Shivkumar Sharma.

Shivji is the recipient of the Sangeet Natak Akademi Award (1986)! In the category of HINDUSTANI CLASSICAL INSTRUMENTAL (p.s. Bhajan Sopori, another santoor player, won the award in 1993)

Observe the crowds of expat Indians and foreigners alike who flocked to see Shivji and gave him ovations in Berlin and other continental cities (and buying his albums) performing, not folk compositions and short songs, but full-length recitals on such ragas as Yaman, Bhopali, Kedari, Bilaskhani Todi, Rageshri, Charukeshi, etc...

I am not arguing against Shivji or his acclaim, some of the music is quite fun to listen to. I am just pointing out that there is definitely a subset of both the professional ICM literati AND the listening public which considers santoor music as valid/true ICM
"Not all is good that bears an ancient name,
Nor need we every modern poem blame;
Wise men approve the good, or new, or old;
The foolish critic follows where he's told."
-Kalidas, Malavikagnimitra I.i.2
Trans. Arthur Ryder
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yussef ali k
Hi. As late as I am in this topic, 2 ideas:

1: The human voice was there before the invention of musical instruments: a lot of musicianship therefore has the "vocal-oriented tag" to it: the higher social status of singers + the social organisation of musician-traditions in India follow this in the present as their ancestors did in the time of Courts.
In the western classical tradition this was followed [= 'cantabile', etc. ...].Anyway I THINK this is not a general, immutable rule of instrumental musics). So, for ex., Jazz vocalists follow horns when they scat, & arguably not the other way around.

2: Pt Ulhas Bhapat, santoor player (not the only one).

Have fun.
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yussef ali k
Hi.
(This's a Postscriptum to my above post):

Personally & setting piano/santoor aside for a moment, much worse for my understanding was the witch-hunt against the sarangi(/yas) for low-social connotations. These people were the ones that filled in the voice-accomp slot after the bin stepped up to soloist status, and many argue they are the best ICM-musicians & connoisseurs because of just that.

I feel class-ification & prejudice-at-work in both cases.

Well, let's not get angry - better to have fun, huhhh?
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