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SitarMac

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Hey ya'll-
The previous post had a little sample from Sitarman's recent trip with Shujaat....Great idea!! this is gonna get moved, but try and post a pattern if you can so people can refer to this post in the future for jhalla ideas!! I'll go ahead and start with 2 fantastic formulas that I employ-

1.) c-d-d-c-d-c-d-cc-d-d-c-d-c-d-cc-dd %

2.) c-d-r-c-c-r-d-r-c-d-r-c-c-r-d-r % (Amjad Ali Khan employs this a lot)

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well, i love shahid parvez' jhalla

tempo : 9999 BPM

d-c-c-c/d-c-c-c

or

EDIT -> c-d-r-d/c-d-r-d

etc..
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adunc069

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I will post some work that I've done on his kind of jhalla soon when I get home tonight
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OKay, so it's not Sunday anymore. My daughter broke her toe that night so I was at the hospital for 5 1/2 hours, then we finally saw a doctor who then said " Yes her toe is cracked, don't worry, just do nothing and it will grow back into place because she's so young" Anyways, on to the jhalla.

"How to Make the Tabla Player Make Mistakes part 1"

In teental, at the last four beats, play groups of 5 notes in succession. This evens out after 16 beats plus 4= 20 divided by 4 = 5

so here's how it would look on paper. Firt in groups of 4

dccc dccc dccc dccc
cdcc ccdc cccd cccc

now in groups of 4 and 5

dccc dccc dccc
dcccc dcccc dcccc dcccc

And you should put a heavier accent on the first note of the group of 5 notes to mess up the tabla player :-)

groups of 3 could be like this:

dccc dccd ccdc cdcc

written differently

dccc dcc dcc dcc dcc


"How to Make the Tabliya Make Mistakes part 2

If you do some simple math, you can add up numbers of different value to create something off beat and make your tabla player sweat.

dccc dccc dccd ccdc
cdcc ccdc cccd ccdc

same thing written differently

dccc dccc dcc dcc dcc
dcccc dcccc dcc dc

As long as it adds up to 16, or as long as it evens out over a long period of many cycles, than it will work out. Stay tuned for "How to Make Your Tabla Player Make Mistakes part 3"

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sitarman

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Be careful guys- those tabla players have a few tricks up their sleeves to make us sweat too. I accompanied Sukwinder Singh in a recital here once, playing a lehra pattern in the slowest chautal (12 beats) imaginable. Sounds easy, just counting 3 four note patterns, huh? He really challenged me with what he was doing with those twelve beats!! Of course, the nice thing about jhalla is that the sitar is really the rhythmic "leader" for that section. I have always found, changing the subject slightly, that the trick to good jhalla is keeping the baj string melody strong enough to be heard over the chikari strolkes on those fast patterns. Any tricks that anyone has come up with?
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Jay M

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Quote:
Originally Posted by "daz199"
well, i love shahid parvez' jhalla

tempo : 9999 BPM

d-c-c-c/d-c-c-c

or

EDIT -> c-d-r-d/c-d-r-d

etc..
The other thing he does is Uti(sp) Jhalla
d-d-d-c / d-d-d-c / d-d-d-c / d-d-d-c

But this is only done at 9992 BPM

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adunc069

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Hi, sorry but I could'nt help but post for this. The last guyys pattern of
d-d-d-c

He plays with the chikari on the first beat, ilke this,

c-d-d-d

so you don't get messed up

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Jay M

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Originally Posted by "adunc069"
Hi, sorry but I could'nt help but post for this. The last guyys pattern of
d-d-d-c

He plays with the chikari on the first beat, ilke this,

c-d-d-d

so you don't get messed up
Umm, yes he does but he also does the pattern I mentioned....essentially it is upside down jhalla....

So there is no confusion, it is a different pattern.

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sitarman

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Yes- upside down jhalla. Of course, being left handed, if I truly played upside down it would look right to you guys.
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barend

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I have always found, changing the subject slightly, that the trick to good jhalla is keeping the baj string melody strong enough to be heard over the chikari strolkes on those fast patterns. Any tricks that anyone has come up with?
sitarman man is right, especially if you play really fast the chickaris become loud and it is hard to play the melody at the same level.
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