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RaviTabla

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Tablatalk.... U can buy from Qasim Khan Niyazi, a very reputed and good quality Tabla maker from Delhi. You can check his facebook page https://www.facebook.com/qasimkhanniyazi
where he posts videos of his tabla.
Here is his website : http://www.qasimtablamaker.com/index.php
Hope this helps...
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Mango wood, Sheesam wood, teak wood, weight, copper, Brass, etc, etc,etc. I really don't care if table is sounding good.
One thing is sure, irrespective of the material, the table maker's skill plays a major roll in making a great tabla.
Relating to the thread above, for any musician, if the instrument is good, there is more motivation to play. If the instrument is bad then motivation goes down.
Whether the musician is new or experienced, the instruments must be of the good quality which would help him practice more and create perfection in playing.
Tablas becoming popular all over the world, there are really crappy tablas available in the market which you would not like to even play for few minutes.
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@Khitchdee,

"Spoiled"? Ask youself what harm would come from playing on a nice instrument?

There is none, and you would gain the ability to distinguish bad instruments from good ones early. Some poor sap who walks into a music shop and sees a pair of Tabla, thinks to himself "Oh I've always wanted to play those!", buys them and takes them home only to discover much too late from someone who knows what Tablas are supposed to sound like that his set is hardly worthy of even being called a Tabla. Meanwhile he/she has spents months practicing likely with improper technique trying to achive any sound they can.

Of course someone who starts on a bad instrument will appreciate a better one, but what does that have to do with creating the best possible foundation for your learning of the instrument itself? The more I listen to you repeatedly tout poor quality Tablas the more I feel like you don't know what your talking about. It's certainly bad advice for a beginning Tabla student.

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Hello @VNO

I'm not touting poor quality tablas at all, just suggesting it doesn't matter early. There is a steep learning curve when you start out and many enthusiasts don't quite climb over. Paying a lot at this stage is hence not wise.

I don't buy the argument that good quality helps you stay interested more when you start out. What counts is your discipline above all else.
Anyone reading this thread can see you have a trend about your replies Khitchdee. And by paying "a lot" do you mean perhaps $50 more dollars than you normally would? That is chump change in the music world.

If you don't buy that argument, then the converse must be true. A person with utmost discipline would learn to play Tabla on a shell with a trash bag tied to the top with a rubber band (because that's how half the crappy drums in unknowledgeable music stores actually sound). They would just grind away on an inferior head but somehow know when they were hitting the right spot? Come off it already. It's common sense that a better quality instrument is more appealing to play. We're not arguing subtleties here. The rest of us are saying "buy the best Tabla you can". You are out there alone saying "Get yourself a hand-me-down". I hope I don't have to keep rebutting your posts about such a riduculous argument, but as long as beginners come on here and read this, they should know what to do and what not to do. Please get on the right side of the fence, or at least gain a bit more experience before making comments in ignorance.

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@Tirakitataka

Don't you think that if you start out with an ordinary tabla and later upgrade, when you develop some proficiency, you would appreciate the tabla maker's skill a lot more? And conversely, if you start out with a good tabla, there's a possibility of getting "spoilt".

Your username indicates that you are tuned in to this art, don't you feel that in the beginning it's mostly about being regular with your रीयाज़ and not as much about the sound quality?
Absolutely disagree.... The tabla playing is similar to Vocal singing where you have to purify your Bols and sound quality of bols (which is called "Nikas" in tabla language) is an important factor of learning from the very first day.
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Totally agree that you need to focus on the sound quality of your bols from day one. Whether you need a high quality instrument to do that at this stage is in question...Starting out, it's more important to correct your form as you strike the tabla than it is to hear refined sounds when you do so. The focus should be on your form, not on the quality of your tabla. There's a saying in India that applies here which roughly translated says "the dancer that doesn't know how to dance blames the stage for not being flat".
नाच ना आवे आँगन टेढ़ा
Khitchdee, again I'm astounded by your ignorance and yet the persistence of your "argument". Do you not see the conflict between your agreement with the first sentence you wrote, with the very next sentence you wrote? You simply can't focus on the sound quality of your bols if your Tabla makes crappy sound! Then again later in your reply you're in conflict with yourself by saying you need to correct your form, but not hear refined sounds? How then will you know what to correct!!?

Your dancer analogy couldn't be farther from the topic unless you were talking about the way eggplants look like potatoes.

Majority of beginners in India and the rest of the world start on crappy Tablas. That is why you don't see this beautiful and wonderful instrument played more prominently. The makers themselves have much to do with this as I discussed at the beginning of this thread. What we don't need is supposed players like yourself continuing to steer prospective players toward sub-par Tablas. Please for the love of music, stop it.

Save up and buy a nice Tabla that sounds awesome.

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@Khitchdee,

If you are in India, then you don't have to spend fortune to get a quality tabla set. You have so many options and makers that you can definitely find a good quality tabla at low price. The issue is with people like us who don't have that pleasure.

However when you started the discussion, the affordability factor wasn't in the picture, the only issue was whether to use quality instrument since beginning or upgrade slowly.

I do agree with VNO that you listen less and speak more.
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I think your reply has no head and no tail. Read what I wrote slowly and more carefully. That might help you understand what I'm saying.
I think you need to read this entire thread and your own posts more slowly and carefully. I understand completely what you are saying, and boil it all down and it's bad advice for a beginner. I also think you would serve yourself well by buying yourself a terrific sounding Tabla and play on it for some time, then come back here and try to tell us all how we're full of it.

Good luck.

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