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The notes are S r g m D n S. It treats Ma as the Sa like in Rageshree and bageshree, hemant, etc... It's almost like a rageshree with a komal re and komal ga. it's nothing like bageshree as it omits the pa entirely. SO, anybody know? Ascent is S g m D n S' descent S' n D m g m r S
I gues you could do S' n D n D m g m r s as well......

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Hi adunc069,

I have no idea what raga this is....and I have tried to find it with raagfinder, but also without succes:

this tool is handy sometimes (not always):

http://www.adwaitjoshi.com/icm/raagafinder.php

so I doubt if it is a hindustanic raag, maybe it is carnatic.
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This scale is played under several names- Ravi Shankar has recorded it as Parameshwari, and others as Deen Todi.

I believe I've also heard it called, logically, Ahir Todi.

Googling 'Parameshwari' or 'Deen Todi' will get you to some sample recordings.

Prabateshwari, Misra Todi, Jayawanti Todi & Amishi Todi all have the same basic scale, but use Pa in varying ways and amounts.

In the Karnatic system, this raga is called Alankarapriya.
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Re Ahiri Todi, this uses pa, but there are a couple of samples available on
http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit06262000/musicarts.asp

including a tantalising 5 minutes of Nikhil Banerjee.
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I have the following CDs which include the ragas mentioned in the postings above.

Parmeshwari
Gaurav Majumdar 3 minutes Guru vandana GZ00012
Ravi Shankar 10 PSLP5836 and 45 PSLP5267
Tarun Bhattacharya 31 BMG50724

Deen Todi
Parween Sultana 21 minutes PSLP5400

Ahiri Todi
Ramesh Jule 28 CDNF150176

Misra Todi
Tarun Bhattacharya 9 IAM1052

I don't have any recordings of Prabateshwari, Jayawanti Todi & Amishi Todi. If there are any CDs with these ragas, please let me know.

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Hi, thanks for the replies. If anybody has the Shahid Parvez Journey with Saraswati dvd, this is the rag he plays in the interview while explaining the elaboration of a rag. Maybe this helps narrow it down?
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The notes are S r g m D n S. It treats Ma as the Sa like in Rageshree and bageshree, hemant, etc
What exactly do you mean by 'it treats Ma as Sa'?
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It's almost like a rageshree with a komal re and komal ga. it's nothing like bageshree as it omits the pa entirely.


There are versions of Bageshree that omit Pa altogether.
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SO, anybody know? Ascent is S g m D n S' descent S' n D m g m r S
I gues you could do S' n D n D m g m r s as well......
I have never heard a raga that plays exactly this scale with a Pa omitted, but the purvang suggests Todi type ang. However, the sargam that you have posted suggests to me that maybe S.P. could even be demonstrating a Bhairavi chalan, where he is skipping Pa and using shuddh Da, not entirley an uncommon occurance in Bhairavi.

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Hi, no flat Dha in this rag bhai. I will try to find out from the man himself when I see him next 8)
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Hi, no flat Dha in this rag bhai. I will try to find out from the man himself when I see him next 8)
I suppose this is to refute the Bhairavi possibity? I never said there was a komal Da in the raga in question. My point is that Bhairavi often uses a shuddh/natural Da like in the phrase M P D n d P.

It could be that SP is demonstrating a chalan of Bhairavi that is utlitising this vivadi swara, shuddh Da, because the rest of the pryogas you posted have some Bhairavi material in them.

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Re recording of jayawanti todi see

http://www.asianclassicalmp3.org/jasraj.htm

for d/ls available from 1980 cassette Variations on Todi, Pandit Jasraj
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