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Nick Proctor

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Well what a real beauty this is, eh ?!?!?
In Varanasi for just a few more days - HOPEFULLY ?!?!?

Gorgeous. The sitar NOT me ?!?!!? 1.jpg  2.jpg  3.jpg  4.jpg  5.jpg 

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I like this one.
I have heard a couple of sitars with sound holes.
One was honky like a goose, but the other one sounded nice and airy. 
The hole definitely changes the tone, but sometimes it works well. 
I don't remember who made the ones I heard. 

Nice tabli wood.
I like clean edges of the tabli without border decoration. 
Nothing wrong with going with just wood. 

Nice thick swirl pegs too. 
I like well made pegs. 

Hopefully it will sound good too.
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Is it me but are the 2 first playing pegs facing forwards a little bigger than the 3 on the left side ?!?!?!!?
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Could it be...
http://www.sitarsencat.com/prod-sitar-sitars-tabla-india/291/kanailal-1920_1930
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Nick Proctor

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Not quite but VERY like it eh.?
 
Different headstock but the tabli is as same as you can get, eh?
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I know there are some "fake labeled" sitars out there but look closely at the labels on these two..
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Nick Proctor

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Whatcher saying then, it IS a KL.????
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At least it looks like your label reads KL & Brothers. I am no expert so I can't say that the sitar is actually made by them. It is also hard to see the quality of the carving from rhe photos.
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MMM OK then.
There'll be slightly better pics when it arrives - hopefully in the next few weeks.
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Definitely in the style of Kanai Lal - could very well be the real thing.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/503529

When I saw your pics it immediately reminded me of the one on display at the Metropolitan Museum in New York. 

Steve Landsberg has written about these sitars. 

https://www.asianart.com/articles/landsberg/index.html#3
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This one has a pretty good chance of being genuine. It is hard to tell from the photos, and it will be cool to see better photos when he gets it to the UK.

In its favor is the general design of the neck waist and tabli. 
Older Kanailal sitars have a delicate overall lilt to the design, especially at the waist, where the thumb rests are. Kanailal thumb rest bone pieces often have a thin, dainty look, with a lovely curvy appeal. 

I was looking through the book "Sitar and Surbahar manufacturing: The Tradition of Kanailal & Brother, Kolkata", because I remembered some "sound mouth" tabli hole sitars in there. There is a photo of Murari playing a sound mouth sitar that has a very similar tabli design to this sitar. It is hard to tell from the photos, so we shall have to see more detailed shots when it arrives. 

Cant say from the photos if it is, or isn't, Kanailal, but this one is intriguing. 

KLcompare.jpg 

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One thing that causes me to question it is the arch of the design at the nut. 
I couldn't find a KL sitar that had a similar arch to the design at the top of the neck by the nut. 
This sitar has a high arch design, and most KL sitars I found have a more shallow arch. 

I know it is a nitpicky thing, but it is just something I noticed. 
Does anyone have a KL pic with this style of arching there?

arch.jpg 


Here are some examples of genuine KL designs at that part of the neck. 
You can see a shallower arching. 

KL-Neck-Design.jpg 




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Could it have been replaced sometime????
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Could it have been replaced sometime????


Doubtful, but you never know. 
They would have had to replace the entire fretboard, and it doesn't look replaced.
BUT it doesn't really mean anything if the rest of the sitar is right. 
As you can see by the other examples, it changes a little bit in each sitar. 
It was just a little detail I noticed. 

The photo of Murari playing that similar sitar is more convincing to the positive than the difference in the arching of that design. 

When it arrives get good shots of the carving etc. 
It will be easier to tell if it really is KL.
So far so good though. 
It is an interesting one. 
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Certainly WILL get better close-up shots of it. With any luck it'll be here but the end of next week.
Been in Delhi several days now so should leave any day. Then it's about 4 to 5 to get here.
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