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Some information on his experience with music, and some historical references:
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"Question: So at that stage in your life you were fully committed to pursue a music career?

Answer: Yes, and all credit must go to my father. When I was about 9 or 10 years old, one day my father told me, "Look at us, we are really amateur musicians. If you really want to learn this music you must take it as a profession, otherwise it will be useless." But I can remember when he said this my grandfather and all other family members objected very strongly! They scolded my father saying, "The future of this boy will be completely ruined!" Another thing you must know: about 40 or 50 years back, in India music was not considered a very good thing. Let me tell you another short history of this thing. During the Moghul Dynasty, in the late 17th century, Aurangzeb, the last Emperor, prohibited music strictly and there was an order from the king that anybody practicing music will be killed immediately! This was a black period in the history of Indian music you can say. During his time music was completely prohibited in India, and the culture and music of India must be grateful to the prostitute class-prostitute is not the correct word, they were called "baijis." They were the people who actually kept this art alive when it went underground during Aurangzeb's reign. The baiji class preserved the music underground, and the result was that afterwards in educated and cultured families the attitude was, "Music, you can learn it, just learn it but don't take it as a profession." Because if you take it as a profession you'll have to keep some sort of close contact with this prostitute baiji class, naturally your character will be spotted. And as I was from a priest class, therefore it was forbidden for anyone from an educated, cultured family to take music professionally.

Question: Yet the origins of dhrupad were temple worship and music was considered a spiritual path...

Answer: Of course, but that is another side. You know this is a very important thing for Westerners to understand about Indian music: Indian music is based on spiritualism, that is the first word, you must keep it in your mind. Many people misunderstand and think it's got something to do with religion, no, absolutely no! Nothing to do with religion, but spiritualism-Indian music was practiced and learned to know the Supreme Truth. Mirabai, Tyagaraja from the South, Haridas Swami, Baiju-all these great composers and musicians were wandering saints; they never came into society nor performed in society. This is the history of Indian music, and this music was learned and it was practiced in search of truth. This is the background of Indian classical music; you must keep it in your mind always. In the temples, this music was sung every day in front of the statues, the idols. In Mathura-Brindaban, the home of dhrupad, this music is still sung. Another technical point I can tell you here: you know dhrupad has got four parts, asthai, antara, sanchari and abhog. But if you go to Mathura-Brindaban, they have got seven parts, and you cannot deny they are the originals. After the evening worship of the idols they sing in a group, purely based on rag and purely dhrupad with seven parts. If you really want to hear that, you've got to go there to the temple. Our music was either practiced by the wandering saints or it was in the temple. This is the background of Indian classical music, it was coming like that for many thousands of years. Then during the Muslim invasion of India in the 12th century, the music was composed and was sung in front of the kings to entertain. Then the passion came in our music; actually it was not there before. Passion and the worship of kings-the king is next to god-the wording of many old compositions you'll see, are all in praise of the king. And the king used to give orders, "Do this, do that." So music became part of entertainment after the Muslim invasions, before that no, absolutely no. Old compositions are all about Lord Krishna and Radha, their eternal love, all are based on this love affair, but when the Muslim invasion started then it took a dramatic change.

From the 12th century Indian classical music was bifurcated-one went to the North, one went to the South. The South preserved this rigid orthodoxy; it's still a long argument but they claim that they have maintained the purity of Indian classical music. If you keep something from any touch of the outside world perhaps that sanctity is there but it is like stagnant water. That broadness doesn't come, whereas in North Indian music, after so many invasions from Persia, Greece, Afghanistan, and so many other places, it was enriched with different combinations. That is one of the reasons why this music being so old still has got its power, whereas in Japan, China, Korea, and all these places with old civilizations, it has almost dried out. The North Indian music is always flowing, and still today also it is flowing very nicely, like "a rolling stone gathers no moss." It is very crystalline, and still full of power. Indian musicians have heard many other kinds of music, and have tried to take something from other music also, and they're still seeking. That's a very good point, I think. I like this. Unless you take some ideas from different cultures or different people, how can you really enrich your own ideas? If you do not expand, that means death and stagnation. So what happened to our South Indian music is really a great point to think about. Nowadays there are many great musicians, of course, but many of them are trying to take something from North Indian music. But perhaps you know many great musicians who often visit the U.S. are not accepted there in South India. Why? Because they have gone to the West, because they have heard other music; it's a very orthodox style. However, in North Indian music that constant flow is there.
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This is a great interview, one which everyone should read. The whole thing can be found on raga.com. Thanks for posting!

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Here's a good link to read the whole interview from (that is, if you can't find it on raga.com): http://www.raga.com/interviews/207int1.html
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