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Tristan von Neumann

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As I would like to get a feeling for Tala hands on, I browsed German ebay and found a Tabla pair for 50 bucks on which no one wanted to place a bid.
Other auctions also had low numbers of bids.
I didn't want to bid on the other ones people already bid on, so in the end I was lucky and was the only one, getting it for the 50 bucks.
The downside was: no cushions or gigbag, and no hammer, also the paste on the dayan was partially crackled off.
The bayan has elaborate embossed floral ornaments (I can't say if it's chromed copper or just steel), no dents and perfectly clear paste, so I thought it couldn't be that bad and might be worth it.

Now I obviously have to restore the dayan's syahi patch.

Is it possible to dissolve the remaining paste with water, scrape it off, then apply it back again in an orderly manner, maybe stretching it with selfmade iron filings and crushed rice?
I'm willing to experiment and work on it.
What are the alternatives? (Other than sending it to a probably pricy craftsman)
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The most practical thing to do is to replace the entire head.  Unfortunately, the Dayan is not to forgiving compared to the bayan, so you may wish to seek the aid of someone more experienced.
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Tristan von Neumann

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Thanks David, but I fear this is not within by budget.

I just read that for Pakhawaj a simple sealing putty made from ground rocks and mineral oil can be applied instead of the traditional dough. The putty does not tend to crackle soon and can be removed without leaving traces.
Could this putty be used for the dayan?
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Tristan von Neumann

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Here's a picture of the syahi. Any thoughts?

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As David mentioned, applying the paste for a Dayan is an intricate job. If the particles are sealed by a putty when applying the new syahi, sound will be blocked. If you cannot apply the paste accurately, the "thap" and "chat" will be in two different pitches. 

You will have nothing to lose by experimenting, so by all means you can and should do so. The only problem is that the technique cannot by taught by email or phone.
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Hey Tristan,

I found myself patting myself on the back for not suggesting you try patching that up with some bubble gum.

The idea crossed my mind, not because of my cruel nature but because I repair tablas on a regular basis and have seen repair efforts that continue to amaze me.  Here's one I received precisely today.

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The bubble gum solution is no more likely to work than your idea, but it would waste less of your time.

I fully understand limited budgets, though, and have a suggestion.  You're obviously a hands on individual.  Try purchasing a replacement pudi and mounting it yourself.

Good luck, and hope you let us know how this all works out for you.

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Tristan von Neumann

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Thanks Dr. Tom, but getting a replacement pudi is already too expensive.

As I'm not the guy who is giving up easily, I'll try making paste and applying it myself.
Testing the paste on spare leather and then trying to recreate the patch.
The goal of the sound is clear, also I have time.
I even have measuring equipment to check if the frequency spectrum is as desired.

I recently carved bridges for the sitar I found, and they also worked quite well, even though they were of beechwood. When you know how something should work, it's only a matter of time.
If in the end the sound of the tabla is anything near usable to practice, it's ok for me.
And if it's superbad, I'll have to save some money for the pudi.

I'm puzzled though how this damage has been done in the first place... I guess someone was using sticks...
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That's probably deterioration rather than damage.  This has to do with the structure of the syahi.

You're obviously new to the tabla.  I'll leave the explanation to you as homework.

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Tristan von Neumann

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Thanks Dr. Tom, please spare your condescension.
Of course I am new, I just said so.
I already know how the syahi is made and applied, because I can read, and there's tons of footage of craftsmen applying it. The question is - can I do it myself?
So are iron dust, flour/overcooked rice and water enough to do it?
Does the presence of wheat protein prevent rusting of the iron, or is it the "secret ingredient"?
These questions I seem to have to answer myself if no one wants to share his wisdom...
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Tristan, please let us know how your experiment is working out. If you are running into any specific issues do let us know.


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rameshjayakumaran

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Hi
Iam look for a tabla repairman in singapore.If you have a good tabla repairman in Malaysia or India iam willing to send my tabla.Kindly email or PM me.Thxs

bla_ti@yahoo.com.sg
Hp: 9616 5785

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Pierpaolo Moschino

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Hi guys, I'm new to this forum but not to Indian music :)
I always love the tabla s sounds and finnaly? my gf gave me a pair of used tablas.

Could you please tell me something about this set? there was a missing gatta, the bayan heads seems very loose and used, I guess it need a replacement, both baddhi are really dry and imho the needs to get replace.

Do you think it worth the effort? are this a decent tabla set?
Could you please suggest me which is the best site to buy the replacement parts in Europe? (I'm in italy) and which is the best budget head for both tabla?

Thank you :)

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Welcome aboard Pierpaolo.

I'll address your issues in the order you present them.

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there was a missing gatta


Gattas vary in size.  Replace the missing gatta with one of equal width.

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the bayan heads seems very loose and used, I guess it need a replacement


That head is loose because there is no lacing to tension it down.  You'll need to add the baddhi and tune the drum.  The skin does appear stained and used, but if it's intact should be OK.

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both baddhi are really dry and imho the needs to get replace.


I see only one baddhi - the one on the baya.  Rawhide is naturally stiff and dry.  As long as the lacing can withstand the tension, it'll be fine despite it's appearance.

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Do you think it worth the effort? are this a decent tabla set?


I do believe It'll be worth the effort.

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Could you please suggest me which is the best site to buy the replacement parts in Europe?


Prices for tabla heads can vary considerably.  I suggest that you avoid the most expensive until you are more experienced.

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(I'm in italy) and which is the best budget head for both tabla?


I'm in the US, so maybe someone better qualified will suggest sources.

Best of luck and please let us know how it all works out for you.

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Welcome aboard Pierpaolo.

I'll address your issues in the order you present them.



Gattas vary in size.  Replace the missing gatta with one of equal width.



That head is loose because there is no lacing to tension it down.  You'll need to add the baddhi and tune the drum.  The skin does appear stained and used, but if it's intact should be OK.



I see only one baddhi - the one on the baya.  Rawhide is naturally stiff and dry.  As long as the lacing can withstand the tension, it'll be fine despite it's appearance.



I do believe It'll be worth the effort.



Prices for tabla heads can vary considerably.  I suggest that you avoid the most expensive until you are more experienced.



I'm in the US, so maybe someone better qualified will suggest sources.

Best of luck and please let us know how it all works out for you.


Awesome! thanks for your useful answers :) i want to add one last think, the bayan got this annoying buzz on every hit... I read online it could be a syhai problem... Do you have any suggestion? probably its better to change the head isn't?
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Loose particles on the syahi is a fairly common problem.  It can be fixed by finding the loose particle/s and reattaching it/them.  I would try this before replacing the skin.
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